but i think -- >> but didn't the governor of pennsylvania say, when they were talking about the voter restrictions in pennsylvania saying, "this is how we're going to win pennsylvania for mitt romney"? >> well, no, there was a state senator who said that. >> excuse me, a state senator. >> this will allow mitt romney to win the election. now, the implication of that is that the suggestion was that there's such pervasive fraud that he wouldn't be able to win without it. i do not think that is correct. but i think that actually when you parse what he was saying i think that's what he meant. and i think that you're actually illustrating my point in a wonderful way. there's so much distrust that, and of course people aren't inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. let's interpret what he said in the most favorable possible light because there is legitimate distrust that is rooted in the fact that these are communities that don't generally talk to each other. >> but you know, i brought you together because both of you from different perspectives have been writing about the people at t